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Tracey
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563 Posts

Posted - 04 February 2009 :  14:34:24  Show Profile
I've just seen on the Daily Mail website that two puppies have been rescued by a passerby after she saw a group of children kicking the puppies and holding them over a fire as if they were trying to roast them. Apparently some of the children looked about 10. The police have said that they haven't arrested anyone, and it would be difficult to identify the children.

I really despair of the future in this country. As far as I'm concerned the police should be trying to arrest the children involved and they should be charged. I don't care that they might only be 10 - I knew right from wrong at that age and you can bet your life that if they were arrested they would know their rights.

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Agent Smith
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782 Posts

Posted - 04 February 2009 :  14:55:05  Show Profile
Pity the passers by didn't do the same to the kids!

The law which says that kids don't know what they are doing till they are 10 is archaic and should be scrapped.

There are kids as young as 5 who know when they are doing something wrong.

We're too soft in this country.

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Tracey
Average Member



563 Posts

Posted - 04 February 2009 :  15:04:13  Show Profile
I would have done! I've always wanted to join the police but stories like this make me think I wouldn't be any good - I'd want to give the little brats a clip round the ear.

When I worked in the court service the juvenile court never seemed to do any good - they'd be back week after week, and I often recognise their names in the local paper now they're adults.

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Agent Smith
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782 Posts

Posted - 04 February 2009 :  15:41:26  Show Profile
Where I work we constantly see the same names appearing again and again, and some of them are such prolific offenders you wouldn't believe! It's a waste of time locking them up because they just come out with even more illegal skills!

I watch 'America's Hardest Prisons' on Nat. Geographic a lot, and I wish some of our young offenders could be sent to them - they wouldn't know what had hit them!

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childminder
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78 Posts

Posted - 04 February 2009 :  18:13:39  Show Profile
Bring back Borstals I say.
As a childminder I have often witnessed repeated unwanted behaviour from children as young as two and they know what they are doing. It is unfortunate that it is often a vicious cirlce of unruly kids who go on to be irresposible parents (as their parents probably were) and the circle continues.

CSSIW registered childminder and NCMA member.
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Vanessa Phillips
Debt Diva Expert



464 Posts

Posted - 04 February 2009 :  22:11:20  Show Profile
Quite frankly, stories like that just make me feel sick. I can't imagine what would possess anyone to want to harm a defenceless animal.

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Melanie Giles
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Posted - 05 February 2009 :  00:28:29  Show Profile
I am sickened to read this post - I cannot abide any sort of cruelty to animals, and where are the parents when this thing usually happens? Why are 10 year olds let out to roam the streets and get up to all sorts, it just beggars belief. I hope those pups have been sent to a rescue centre and will be rehomed very soon.

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Tracey
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Posted - 05 February 2009 :  08:33:18  Show Profile
They were taken to the RSPCA who will be trying to rehome them. I'm sure they won't have any problems when people have heard their story.

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Agent Smith
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Posted - 05 February 2009 :  12:22:55  Show Profile
That's good then.

I'd like to think the parents would do something to the kids for what they were doing - but I doubt it!

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Robbiecat
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39 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  17:36:19  Show Profile
I'm not suprised by this. Sickened, but not suprised. Having worked with a lot of really nasty kids (and to be fair, some utterly delightful ones too) in school as a teacher, it is common for kids to think cruelty is "funny" and it's "just a kitten/cat/puppy/dog". A lot of them have absolutely no conscience or any kind of compassion and it can only be due to upbringing.

Several of you also know I work in rescue. (I've just had to work out my annual vets bills/pet costs for my annual review, OUCH!) and all of my moglets and doglets are cruelty cases of one sort or another. One of my cats was found in a skip at 3 weeks old next to her 2 dead siblings. I won't go into details, but suffice to say if I ever caught up with the scum who did what they did my IVA wouldn't be an issue because I'd be in jail!!

RC
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Melanie Nicholas
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240 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  18:26:15  Show Profile
In my 'other role' I am a volunteer at a local resuce here in Wales and a foster parent for homeless labradors (present a failed fosterer as i am keeping the last little girl to make 3 permanent dogs in the household)I would love to get more involved but know that unlike the rest of the volunteers i would not just take possession of the various animals that come in with horrendous stories or in appalling conditions with injuries etc -I'm scared at what i would do to the owners - i have absolutley no worries with regard to myself or potential outcomes - i would just think first and get in trouble (and to be perfectly honest would not care) One beautiful dog i had for a while till he had a fantasic new 'forever home' had been kept in a boot (not estate) of a car for over 2 years the RSPCA knew this and had already removed a number of horses from this 'farm' there were a couple already dead and a number beond help that had to be put down and others in awful condition. Yet the RSPCA went through the court process for 2 years to get control over these dogs (knowing they were kept in the conditions they were in) My dog was a chocolate lab who had a thin white line of fur around his neck where the chain had grown into his skin it was so tight - his white fur a permanent scar...he was the most fantastic loveable dog desperate to give an receive love - i broke my heart when his new Dad came, but knew he had a brilliant new home, which was the onlycomfort I had to let him go. I know that if i had been part of this 'investigation' no woman on earth, yes it was a woman who kept these animals (about 12 dogs couple dead by the time RSPCA eventually got them bodies left with their siblings to rot)would have stopped me from taking the animals on day 1...i appreciate their are legal processes, but for me the red mist would come down and i would end up arrested as i would never have left there with out the dogs let alone wait 2 years for due process. Incidentally she was eventually banned from keepting animals - huh some punishment! i would have had to dish out some kind of justcie.
And this is why i just stick to fostering andrehoming! or i would probably be in prison!

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Tracey
Average Member



563 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  18:38:40  Show Profile
That's awful Melanie, reading your post made me cry. Before I got Harry he was in foster care with a local charity and they are crying out for help, and I would love to do something for them. The problem is I can't foster due to lack of room, and like you I would be dishing out my own justice if I got too involved. I can't bear animal cruelty, and I even get emotional thinking what might have happened to Harry before we got him!

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Julie G
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415 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  18:45:23  Show Profile
How can people be so cruel?? I never considered myself an animal person, but when we heard of someone going to drown kittens we had Latchford. Now I don't know if it was false threat but I couldn't let it happen. We've had him since he was 3 weeks old.

In the news this week - 2policemen were fined for cruelty to their policedogs!!

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Agent Smith
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782 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  18:51:30  Show Profile
Melanie, I totally agree with you. Both my dogs are rescue dogs, have no idea what sort of life they led before we had them (I have an idea that Lloyd, the little one might have been booted out because of his constant barking!), but Suzie is about 4/5 now and apart from snatching at tit bits, she has the most wonderful temperament, but we've no idea why she was in a dogs home.

Our last dog was a rescue as well, and we had her for 13 wonderful years.

I couldn't foster though - I'd never let them go!

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Robbiecat
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39 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  19:05:46  Show Profile
Melanie, I feel the *failed Fosterer* pain!

My latest 2 failed fosters were 2, 4 month old kitten-cats who were removed by the RSPCA from a Dog-fighting house in August 2008. They were going to be used as dog-bait. They had help from Michael Edwards at the Cardiff Cat Clinic, who was quite frankly phenomenal with them. They have gone from unhinged terrified ferals on prozac, to cuddly goofy lapcats. They become numbers 6 & 7 in the house... as I couldn't bear to let them go...

My track record over the last 10 years is 278 cats fostered, 273 rehomed, 4 staying, so I'm doing pretty well!

RC

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Julie G
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415 Posts

Posted - 05 February 2009 :  19:08:10  Show Profile
Wow RC what a lovely caring person you are.

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